The point is, Al, that it's all out there, the stuff you think no longer exists (well, maybe not the singing comedians with between-songs racist, sexist and homophobic jokes, but that's no great loss). It's just that it's not taking place on the folk scene. The musicians are doing their own thing, without needing the validation of the last remnants of a 60s/70s throwback scene. There are people out there who look to Michael Chapman and the ISB and Bert & John and Nic Jones and Martin Carthy and the Watersons and Shelagh McDonald and Bonnie Dobson and so on as inspiration, but who you'll never see in a circa 2017 folk club, because it's not their scene. Open your ears - you might enjoy yourself.

No dead bodies and lifeless music at the gigs I go to. Well, there might be the odd dead body in the lyrics.

Meg Baird in session