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Thread #161452   Message #3849109
Posted By: Steve Shaw
06-Apr-17 - 02:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Zionist and Jew are not the same thing. The Catholic Church collaborated with Mussolini. By saying that, I'm not condemning the whole of Christianity. Catholic and Christian are not the same thing. Not only that, not all Catholics agreed with that collaboration. So Zionist and Jew are not the same thing. If I say I dislike Zionism, in no way am I saying that I dislike Jews. And I dislike people who are telling me what I'm saying. I'll tell YOU what I'm saying. There is nothing, NOTHING antisemitic about saying that Hitler supported Zionism. We can argue the fat over whether that's true until the cows come home. But there is no argument about the fact that it is not an antisemitic remark. If you disagree, let's be having your precise reason why. Your reason, not according to a "definition." Tell me why you think that saying Hitler supported Zionism is an attack on all Jews. Had I been around when Zionists were fighting for a Jewish state I would have been opposed on political grounds, not because I hate Jews. That's the way the world works and no religion has the right to trump political discourse. But I do not oppose the existence of Israel now. Israel is a fact and that is also the way the world works. In fact, I support the state of Israel in that I want it to become a real, progressive democracy. So far, I think it falls short of that. That does not mean I'm antisemitic any more than it means I'm anti-America because it has a rotten regime.