Jim Carroll - 12 May 17 - 02:40 AM

More Bullshit.

1: You have the figures of how many have died - Palestine if fighting a war for its existence - it is heavily outnumbered - Israel is the aggressor

OK Jom you tell me who the aggressor has been:

1920 - Arab Bedouins attack Jewish settlers in farms that those settlers bought from the former Ottoman rulers of the Territory known as Palestine.

1921 - The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Yasser Arafat's Uncle) deliberately spread lies about the Jewish population of Jerusalem that sparked off riots where Jews were murdered, their businesses ruined and their houses ransacked.

1923 - 77% of the Mandated Territory of Palestine is given over for the sole and exclusive settlement by the Arabs of Palestine. The new territory is called Transjordan. The remaining 23% of the territory retains the name of Palestine, an area where anybody can settle without restriction related to race or religion.

1929 - The Grand Mufti gets up to his old tricks again, lies through his teeth to incite riots and attacks on the Jewish population. This time the authorities see through the lies and the Grand Mufti is forced to flee.

1936 - The start of the extravaganza known as the Great Arab Revolt against British administration of Palestine and against Jewish immigration that had been authorised by the League of Nations in 1922. The Jewish population aid the British against the Arab rebellion.

1937 - The Peel Commission examines solutions to the problems of Palestine. They conclude that the Arabs of Palestine and the Jews of Palestine will not agree to peacefully co-exist in a single state. The Peel Commission recommends a two-state solution. The proposal is not pursued by the British Administration, the League of Nations does not endorse the findings of the Peel Commission.

1946 - The League of Nations ceases to exist, having been replaced by the United Nations. The British Mandate for Palestine is due to expire in 1948.

1947 - Britain announces the independence of the State of Jordan, formerly Transjordan and declares that it will quit Palestine by 1st August 1948 at the latest, the date for the expiry of the Mandate is revised to 14th May 1948. The UN propose the former solution of the Peel Commission - A two-state solution which the Jews accept and the Arabs reject.

1948 - At midnight on the 14th May 1948 the State of Israel came into existence. The state was officially recognised by the United Nations immediately, the first state to recognise the existence of Israel was the U.S.S.R., the second was the United States of America. On declaring it's existence the State of Israel was attacked by five neighbouring Arab States. The war lasted until 1949 and the war was won by Israel. The UN brokered a ceasefire agreement that resulted in no peace treaty. The Israelis complied with the ceasefire terms and conditions the Arab states did not.

1956 - Between 1949 and 1956 Israel was subjected to attacks by Fedayeen fighters from Sinai, Jordan, Syria and the Lebanon. In 1956 President Nasser of Egypt closed the Suez Canal and the Straits of Tiran entrance to the Gulf of Aqaba to vessels trading with Israel. This was in direct contravention of the 1949 ceasefire agreement. The Israelis expelled the Egyptians from the Gaza Strip and from the Sinai to relieve the Egyptian blockade and open up the Gulf of Aqaba. The UN again brokered a ceasefire. Israel withdrew from Gaza and the Sinai, in return Egypt opened the canal and the Gulf of Aqaba to shipping and demilitarised the Sinai Peninsula allowing a UN monitoring force to be positioned there.

1967 - Egypt orders the UN Monitors out of the Sinai, closes the Straits of Tiran again in contravention of the 1956 ceasefire agreement and positions an Army of 100,000 on Israel's border. In agreement and in concert with Egypt other Arab armies are positioned on Israel's borders with Jordan, Syria and the Lebanon. Under such a blockade Israel can last three weeks. Under a barrage of threats from its Arab enemies Israel launches a pre-emptive strike. The ensuing war results in a humiliating defeat for the Arab forces. Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), Shebaa farms, and the Golan Heights. On this occasion the Israelis hold onto land taken, from now on land will be exchanged in bi-lateral peace treaties with Israel's Arab neighbours. Arab leaders meet in Khartoum where they agree that there should be no recognition, no peace, and no negotiations with the State of Israel.

1973 - Israel is attacked without warning by Egypt and Syria in what became known as the Yom Kippur War. This results in another humiliating defeat for the Arabs.

1978- Israel attacked by Palestinians based in Lebanon results in First South Lebanon conflict.

1979 - Peace Accord signed with Egypt.

1981 - Israel attacks Iraqi nuclear facilities

1982 - First Lebanon War

1985–2000 - Second South Lebanon conflict

1987–1993 - First Intifada

1991 - Israel attacked by Iraq

1994 - Peace Accord with Jordan

2000–2004 - Second Intifada

2006 - Gaza Operation Summer Rains
2006 - Second Lebanon War

2008–2009 - Gaza War

2012 - Gaza Operation Pillar of Defense

2014 - Israel–Gaza conflict

All of the above were the result of attacks on the Jewish population of Palestine, or attacks or threat of attacks on Israel - and you are peddling the MYTH of Israel being an agressive expansionist State

2: Yes Jom let us take a look at some maps. Can you show me the Hamas or PNA Map showing the borders of the two-state solution they claim to be fighting for? No didn't think you could.

Map 1 Mandated Territory of Palestine 24th April 1920

Map 2 Mandated Territory of Palestine 24th July 1922

Map 3 1947 UN Plan Rejected by the Arabs of Palestine

3: Israel is an agressive expansionist State who wishes to turn te area into a Jewish State and eject the Arabs
They haven't managed yet, "numbnuts" because, despite U.S. support, they are bound by International law and by pressure from fellow Jews, who are as much opponents to their behaviour as the rest of us are

So let me see if I have got this right according to your rather idiotic and cockeyed view on things. Despite everything, Israel will never be able to achieve its ambitions because of international law, the views of Jewish opponents to the Israeli Government and because of opposition represented as such as yourself. If that is true Jom what's the problem? No need to take any further action.


4: "Are you seriosly suggesting that the Palestinians are as well armed and well trained as the Israelis and they have nuclear weapons tucked away in their back pockets?

Nope - Never said anything even remotely like that - If you think that I did could you please provide a direct quote? (Don't hold your breath folks - He's not going to produce anything)

"Gross stupidity - even for you Jim"

5: The blockade has blocked essential supplies for building - Yet Hamas is suffering no shortage of building materials to construct concrete lined tunnels and underground command centres, shelters and weapons storage areas. In all of this construction, they have not built one single shelter for their civilian population - why is that Jim? By the way Jim is that the blockade imposed by the Israelis? Or the blockade imposed by the Egyptians?

6: is has slowed down essential medical shipments

Not true.

7: it has never been anything other than an attempt to starve the Palestinians into submission

Why would the Egyptians want to starve the Palestinians into submission Jom? If that was indeed the aim of the Israelis then how have they not succeeded? - numbnuts.