I'm afraid that the truth hurts gang, its about time your self righteous ranting was put into perspective.
Jim is a hater of everything and everybody except those who share his views formulated in the 1930's and long since found wanting.

We inhabit what could be a brave new world, the establishment is crumbling, old ideologies have been proved ineffective, old remedies no longer fit for purpose.......maybe at last we will accept unity, think deeply about moral issues, perhaps rediscover theology and reject crass materialism.......Not while Steve and Jim are steering the ship.

It took guts for Joe to take on the bullies, for that is what you are, childish bullies who NEVER question your ideologies, they are set in stone.....real liberalism could never survive in the mythical neverland that you people inhabit.