no our fishing communities aren't going to haul in record catches - but they might be fished responsibly.

Brexit is not about regaining past glories. Its about bringing to heel forces in our community which are beyond our control whilst we are in the EU.

Brexiters are not expecting our lot to improve overnight. WE want to subsidise our industries in a way that has been labelled 'unfair competition' for forty years. The french and Germans somehow subsidise their industry (how else would Skoda become a market leader?). Just because we're so dumb we obey laws that they ignore is a bloody good reason to exit the EU.

We have not been conned by demagogues - you have. The demagogues you stand in awe of are the economists who brought us monetarism and fucked the industrial base of the country.

However my sincerely held beliefs are nothing to do with you. You have no right to ridicule them - particularly on a thread that is to do with this speech, and sod all to with Brexit. Although it seems to attract people with a pathological need to insult.