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Thread #162491   Message #3869042
Posted By: Jim Carroll
30-Jul-17 - 04:08 AM
Thread Name: BS: Clerical Abuse of Children
Subject: RE: BS: Catholic Abuse of Children
"The "answers" offered by you and a few others Jim, are not answers at all but inadequate excuses;"
Then you must take them and disprove them - Joe has made the point also
The Catholic church as I and my relatives knew it was rigidly divided sexually - the boys were under the care of the priests - the girls under the nuns
Even the masses were divided - the women sat on one side of the church the men on the other - the women were forbidden to enter the church without covering their heads
I haven't been to a morning mass since I was a child, but that was the memory that has remained with me - women all wearing head-scarves
The most horrific example of this division was the case of 'The Poor Clares' convent fire in Ennis (still shrouded in secrecy) - a case once described by Edna O'Brien on the BBC, but hardly written about
A fire broke out in the convent and the firemen were refused access - because they were - MEN!!
A number of the nuns were burned to death behind locked convent doors.
At the time these outrages were taking place, the priests did not have easy access to the girls without the co-operation of the nuns which wasn't particularly forthcoming as the Sisters were very protective of their power.
The priest had their way with what was at hand - the boys - the nuns beat the girls
It did happen that girls were turned over for the use of predatory men of course - that was covered in 'The Magdalene Girls', where it showed them being farmed out to wealthy donors to the Orders.
Same sex rape took place within the church as same sex liasons take place widely in prisons or did at sea - they took what was available - nothing to do with sexual preferences.
The same goes for the sexual bestiality that took place in remote rural occupations - as with naval practices, common enough to have its own repertoire of jokes.
You came up both a claim of numbers - you provided no evidence that they were real - you are an anachronistic one-off
You refuse to respond to evidence - you provide no evidence that you are for real
Your "rates" show no deep study of the situation that gave rise to these events - your random example includes hastily grasped opinions from extremist groups, as has been pointed out
No study in depth has ever taken place nor can it ever be while most of the evidence lies locked away in the Vatican Vaults
These are "homosexual attacks" only because you wish them to be "homosexual attacks"
Your own record of hatred of homosexuality underlines that fact
Jim Carroll