Socialism originated in the Stone Age, surfaced in the Peasants Revolt
"When Adam Delved and Eve Span,Who was then the Gentleman
Socialism

No-one was called a socialist or referred to socialism before Owen.

I asked if Owen was a Utopian Communist whose followers rejected religion
You replied like a speaking clock
"I answer again, He became one and probably invented the concept."

No. That was in reply to, I ask again
Was not Owen a Socialist

None of this would have arisen if you had let my original statement go.
"The reforms were not achieved by "trades unions" Jim.
They were achieved by wealthy philanthropists and reformers, usually motivated by their Christian faith."

Do you still challenge that?