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Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-Nov-17 - 03:30 AM
Thread Name: New Book: Folk Song in England
Subject: RE: New Book: Folk Song in England
Chambers must have been talking about rather wealthy people."
Chambers's article extends the practice to the rings sold at country fairs which were crudely riveted together and the two separate pieces deliberately scratched by the lovers so that when they were compared, they corresponded as proof of the promise
It has been suggested that the 'token' given to Fanny by Sergeant Troy in 'Far From the Madding Crowd', and which was discovered by him in her coffin was such a device
It was an ol custom, the earlier rings being somewhat elaborate, but later adapted for the poor.
You used to be able to buy quite nece reproductions in shops like 'Pat Times'
I had a friend in Manchester who used to wear a three-part Arabic one.
"This book is about ENGLAND"
At the time these songs were being made Ireland was still very much a part of the British Empire Tim
Steve has used thie excuse that "Ireland was different" a number of times, but the two song traditions correspond more than they diverge and there are many examples of English and Scottish songs that have turned up from Irish field singers
Three years ago we recorded a version of 'The Girl With a Box on her Head' from a 95 year-old farmer living a few miles from here
He also gave us, Katherine Jaffery', The Keach in the Creel,v and a stunning version of Lord Bateman
Other songs we recorded from this area include The Cruel Mother, The Banks of Sweet Dundee, The Crabfish, The Blind Beggar, Young Roger (The Grey Mare), The Frog and the Mouse.....
In reference to 'The Demon Lover' Child recommended that researchers should seek further information in Ireland - a version of it turned up in Roscommon in 1983
Ireland in the first half of the 20th century presented a mirror image of English rural life must have been half a century or so earlier and the 8 centuries of colonial interference and commerce left an indelible footprint on the culture.
As Peter Cook described in his talk, that process was a two-way one
If we don't have the information required to reach a conclusion on our songs in Britain, it seems to me logical that we use what is on hand elsewhere (Britain's nearest neighbour seems a pretty fair alternative)
To ignore Ireland in a study of our songs is as illogical as ignoring Sandinavia when it comes to our ballads
Jim Carroll
This is Tom Munnelly's list of Ballads he collected, still extant in Ireland between 1969 and 1985 - we added Famous Flower of Serving Men to the list
THE ELFIN KNIGHT
LADY ISABEL AND THE ELF-KNIGHT
LORD RANDAL (Appendix: BILLY BOY) EDWARD
THE CRUEL MOTHER THE MAID AND THE PALMER THE TWA MAGICIANS CAPTAIN WEDDERBURN'S COURTSHIP
THE TWA BROTHERS YOUNG BEICHAN
DIVES AND LAZARUS (Appendix: RYE-ROGER-UM) YOUNG HUNTING
LORD THOMAS AND FAIR ANNET
FAIR MARGARET AND SWEET WILLIAM
LORD LOVEL THE LASS OF ROCH ROYAL SWEET WILLIAM'S GHOST 1
BONNY BARBARA ALLAN PRINCE ROBERT 2
BONNY BEE HOM (Appendix: THE LOWLANDS OF HOLLAND) 7
LAMKIN 4
THE MAID FREED FROM THE GALLOWS (Appendix: THE STREETS OF DERRY)
WILLIE O WINSBURY THE BAFFLED KNIGHT THE GYPSY LADDIE GEORDIE THE BRAES OF YARROW KATHRINE JAFFRAY THE SUFFOLK MIRACLE OUR GOODMAN GET UP AND BAR THE DOOR THE JOLLY BEGGAR THE KEACH I? THE CREEL THE SWEET TRINITY THE BROWN GIRL. (Appendix: SALLY THE QUEEN)
ADDITIONAL CHILD BALLADS RECORDED BY OTHER COLLECTORS IN IRELAND.
THE FALSE KNIGHT ON THE ROAD
LORD RANDAL
BONNIE ANNIE
TAM LIN
THE CHERRY TREE CAROL
JOHNNY SCOTT
JAMES HARRIS OR THE DAEMON LOVER
THE GREY COCK
THE FARMER'S CURST WIFE
JOHN OF HAZELGREEN
Sorry about the state of the list - can't get them any straighter