Raggy, I didn't think you did! I know you're an honourable man!

CupOfTea strikes the fastener on the cranium when he/she says it's the human that's the problem, not the dog. We took our dog to obedience training classes from the age of twelve weeks until he was about two years old and, although he isn't perfect (he's a bloody terrier!), he does have good manners, knows his place, and knows what's expected of him when we take him anywhere. We never allow him to 'bother' other people if we take him to a pub or café, he's not allowed to 'hunt' or 'beg' for food, he's not allowed on furniture at home (apart from 'his' spot on the sofa, indicated by the presence of his quilt, so he never tries to get on to seats etc. when we're out.

But I've seen considerably more mess, filth, and disruption caused by kids than by my dog - feet on seats that other people have to sit on, food and drink spilled all over tables and on the floor, trodden into carpets, kids shrieking and bellowing, running around - 'expressing themselves', according to their fawning parents - so I'll take a well-trained, well-behaved dog over that lot any time! :-;

Usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.