Perhaps like Midchuck I should have used the word "horrible" and not the word "crap" to my mind they are one and the same but I know that the pedants out there will kindly explain it. I have made a great many new friends during my time on Mudcat and for that I am thrilled and I would much rather listen to people I consider friends than strangers wandering in with kareoke machines and suchlike. If that makes me intolerant then so be it. To Jon and Dave (tam) and Nynia and all the other admins you did a grand job and I hope you will continue to do so.