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Thread #163884   Message #3915522
Posted By: Jim Carroll
06-Apr-18 - 04:24 AM
Thread Name: BS: On the cause of Famines
Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
"yet you are making room all around him to absolve him "
No I am not
I've read up fairly closely on the subject and it is as I suggest - there is no evidence that what happened was a deliberate act - not was it caused by a "system" - Stalin was a horrific distortion of an attempt to change the world for the better
THe Russian Revolution arose out of one of the most inhuman acts on the planet - World War One - 41 million casualties (18 million dead and 23 million wounded)
This was a war for dominance and power between Empires - a dividing up of the world to decide who among the most powerful nations should profit from whom
In Britain's case it was a family squabble between related Royal families I believe that that is how history will write it up eventually, as it has so many other such conflicts in the past.
At the time the Russian soldiers decided they had had enough of this butchery that had lost nearly 2 million military. nearly 5 million wounded and 2 and a half million missing - over 9 million in all - all in the interests of a Tzar who had kept his subjects ruthlessly in feudal conditions and had shot them down on the streets when they complained
The soldiers returned home to find two political factions - one who totally opposed the war - the other who wanted them to go back to the front and "we'll sort things out when it's all over"
The winners of that argument, The Bolsheviks, were faced with governing a starving Empire ranging from primitive feudalism in the East to undeveloped capitalism in the West - dificult enough for any system
Then along came the Civil War with and invasion of fourteen western countries who wanted to return things to how they were (some of whom had been sworn enemies during "The Great Imperial war a few years earlier).
That was the situation the new leaders had to face - to turn a whole empire in a totally new direction.
Russia should never have been the first country to have attempted to build the much-needed new society - the war decided that one
Immediately after the war the German people took up arms against the system and took over large swathes of their country - they were eventually defeated, their leaders murdered, German Capitalism financed the Nazis and "we started all over again" - this time with countess millions of deliberate exterminations - Jews, Socialists, Trades Unionists, and those considered to unfit to live in a pure German capitalist society.
Pointing the finger at a momentous abberation like Stalin and ignoring everything else is somewhat myopic, doncha think?
Go look at the bigger picture
I don't here many complaints about the over 1 million war casualties much later in the war of intervention in Vietnam (many caused buy dropping burning petrol on the heads of peasants, or slaughtering them with carcinogenics chemicals)
Acts of inhumanity are acts of inhumanity - whoever carries them out
" we already know you have a problem with joos"
And there you go with your unfounded and unjust accusation of antismitsim
Anybody who associated the slaughter and land seizure that is taking place at present with the Jewish people is an extreme antisemite - and it certainly ain't me   
There is a large donation to charity on offer to anyone who can show a single case of my ever denigrating The Jewish people - no takers so far
Perhaps you would like to make a similar offer - I'd love a crack at that one
Your accusations are not only dishonest but they are despicably cowardly as you don't even attempt to substantiate them
Any mindless cyber-stalking troll can make such accusations - as you, Bobad and Beard Bruce have proved over and over again
Isnt the term ""Joos" antisemitic?
I don't knw, I've never used it - I leave that to the antisemites

For Christ's sake, do you have to bring your antisemitism to yet another thread?
It has no place here - can some passing forum fairy remove this before this troll closes down another thread please (are you there Joe?)
Jim Carroll