Just a thought, addressed to no one in particular...

Jim invited us in here to have a 'rational debate'..

could it still be possible...???

or we could just continue putting up with an irritating whining wank fest of me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me ... yet again...???