Bruce, how many f***ing times - people don't have guns here, so nobody comes around threatening other people with guns! WE AREN'T AFRAID OF PEOPLE WITH GUNS BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE GUNS, NOT EVEN CRIMINALS! You are clearly so steeped in, and indoctrinated by, gun-culture, you're completely incapable of understanding the concept of a strongly-regulated, virtually gun-free society.

Criminals don't bring guns when they come to steal your TV because there's no reason to - they know they won't be confronted by an angry home-owner waving a gun at them BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE GUNS.

If they encounter a Police Officer, they know that he won't be armed - OUR POLICE ARENT ROUTINELY ARMED,

If they take a gun with them to steal your TV, and they're caught (either whilst doing the crime or afterwards) they will get DOUBLE THE STANDARD SENTENCE FOR STEALING YOUR TV, PLUS THE SENTENCE FOR CARRYING AN OFFENSIVE WEAPON IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME. IT'S CALLED 'AGGRAVATED' CRIME.

It's true that some criminals possess guns, but they mostly use them to intimidate or shoot OTHER CRIMINALS.

So...I'll ask you once again the exact same question I asked you on the other thread - two nations at roughly the same level of civilisation with, other than gun-culture, very similar social constructs. UK, strong well-enforced gun-regulation, average annual shooting deaths 60, US, weak badly-enforced regulation, average annual shooting deaths 12,000. Given the fact that the population of the US is approximately six times that of the U.K., why Isn't the average number of shooting-deaths for the US 360 and not 12,000? Or, put the other way, why isn't the average number of shooting deaths in the UK 2,000 instead of 60?

Just answer the question in your own words, no obfuscation, no links to meaningless stuff about Central African, or Far Eastern nations, no skewed bullshit from gun-loony websites, just work it out yourself and enlighten the whole of Mudcat please.

Apologies if it makes your brain hurt.