Bruce - I hoped I made it clear that me and Jim are independent of each other in our problematic relationships with K****.
Obviously we will overlap...

I don't speak for Jim, or make a habit of backing him up.. and will criticise and disagree with him...

Over the years I've found it more practicable to mostly stay out of Jim's way
when he's bit his teeth deep into an argument and won't let go...

If it appears we are working in tandem, that's because few others are daft enough to continue with this thread,
for the moment it just seems like me and him...

We honestly are not a team...

I would rather keep overt reference to my issues with K**** confined to just this one thread,
than risk spoiling any others..

..and I would happily accept a truce with K**** if he became a more positive member of mudcat community,
and genuinely meant it...

I'm rather old school.. I'd much prefer 'enemies' I can respect...

I will say this yet again, Keith is capable of astute points, and is clearly knowledgeable.
But he is his own worse enemy,
regularly undermining his own credibility with his immature resorts to playing the innocent,
name calling, and whining when folks give him back some of his own petty treatment...