No evasive action here, Jim. I always understood it someone says 'you' they mean it personally. I have heard of the royal we. Never the royal you. But I accept you explanation. I do however need to point out the error in your logic. Your being personal in this case. I have pointed out time and time again that the club I ran was, and still is, sucessful. It is primarily traditional but we are acceptant of other types of folk music. It has never sold out to commercialism. It has never been anything other than a folk club. It is the only club I have ever had any way in running. If you chose to allocate blame to anyone for the destruction of your idea of folk music, make sure you are aiming at the right targets.