It seems to me that it is perfectly possible to admire some aspects of the life and work of MacColl without necessarily admiring others. I for one accept that some people may like or dislike things about famous (and talented) people that I think and feel differently about. What does not help is when people go OTT about MacColl on either side, pro or agin. And both types happen. And some of the people on MacColl's side make him sound like an arse.

I personally do not regard any tutorials organised by MacColl and Seeger as the last word on anything, though obviously advice from accomplished professionals, which they both were, can be useful.

Among the items in Jim Carroll's legacy will be the posts he has made on Mudcat. Interesting to ponder what people may make of them.

'The Princess Royal' by Ned Adams is full or ornamentation.