to be honest we've heard all this crap innumerable times.

And now theres two lots of economic geniuses parroting it.   no doubt both just as clever as the monetarists who engineered the destruction of nearly 30% of the manufacturing capacity in a single year.

the trouble is i lived in the midlands. the factory i woreked in had a an order book that stretched seven years ahead, my father in law in the hosiery trade worked in several factories, but up to the mid 70' s had order books stretching out three years.

now there are two smoking guns. one in the hands of the EEC . Our entry to which was expertly negotiated by Heath. The other in the hands of the thatcher approach to economic policy.

Both of them going - not me guv! It was the way the world turned, we were powerless, tools of cruel circumstance. Nowt to do with us.

To which the only sensible response is - bumholes!