So you're calling me a liar then

No idea where that comes from, Jim. I have no doubt whatsoever as to the veracity of Your description of the discussion and what was said. What I am saying is that it provides no proof of your theory that the main reason for a fall in the number of folk clubs is that they no longer provide folk music. You know that to be true so, once again, you are trying to cloud the issue.

all the information we have is "just hearsay" - yourrs included

Indeed. But unlike you I do not present my opinions as facts.

the fact that you put them up as "a success"

We went through this only a few hours ago. I did not put anything up as a success. I linked an article which explained the decline had stopped. Surely you have not forgotten so soon.

which is why I won't try again

If only, Jim. If only.