(I said what I said about trubble because Conrad started this thread in a green font, which changed the entire thread to green........which is a big NO NO on MudCat. He started another one which was Split Pea/Piss Cutter Yellow, and that one got changed back to black too. That is what the "fuss" was about, at least from my end. The Max/Joe etc. Clones fixed the color, thank all MuddyGods!!