Dick, I'm not sure quite what it is you're disagreeing with me about. We appear to be on the same page. I've said that Labour's stance seems reasonable. All I said was that I'm disappointed that we're not going to campaign as a party for remain in a referendum. I'm still a member and I'm staying where I am!

DMcG is right. Whatever the outcome of this shambles, leave sentiment vs remain sentiment will still be scoring about equal in the country and that's a recipe for unrest whatever the ultimate outcome.