I don't mind debating with people who disagree with me, Bill. Can't recall specific examples now but you and I have occasionally been at loggerheads. I like to think it's been more a question of perspective and approach than of "stance"...

But it's always the same old stuff with our mutual friend. He posts and I (and you) respond to the same points I've (we've) responded to dozens of times before, often with the most cogent arguments I (we) can muster, which is highly respectful. But, dammit, there's a limit. And here he is again, being anything but respectful. But we had a lovely sunset this evening and I've stocked up on well-priced red wine for Christmas...