i don't know steve et al - we've tried ignoring him, appealing to his better side (no sign of it yet) we've asked him to stop his more offensive posts, asked him to give us a hint that he is more than a machine (or a turnip) - taken him on often enough in argument and got no sensible or meaningful response. quite clearly he is just a malign and crazy person. we have appealed a few times to mods to give us a break and again, no progress. he is here and there is nothing we can do about it. the uncomfortable fact is that we (well i do anyway) read his shorter posts and quite enjoy his more ridiculous, provocative contributions. we could try outright mockery, just an idea....