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Thread #168278   Message #4065630
Posted By: robomatic
24-Jul-20 - 12:16 AM
Thread Name: BS: Important issues re UK Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: Important issues re UK Labour Party
PFR:
I've tried several times to put together a response to your post of Date: 23 Jul 20 - 12:27 AM
and I seem to climb on to my own hobby horse each time. Each time it's a different hobby horse, too.
So let me start with your last line:
"I value objectivity, and real justice too much..."
I think we all do, but that agreeing on just what that means is a task, and then agreeing on how to apply that to the facts is a second task, and then agreeing on what ARE the facts is a third task.
And now I'm tired.

I don't have a warm body up here in Alaska to explain UK politics to me. I may try some reading and maybe even ask some questions back here.
I may refer you back to the recently deceased UK politics thread where I involved myself a little bit towards the end. I was able to write a coherent response to a well written query from Dave the Gnome. In it I was able to distinguish between what I felt was a proper non-antisemitic approach and what was clearly a smear tactic.
Here in the U.S. there is a different legal approach to ethnic challenges. In theory we have Amendment One (to the American Constitution) Freedom of Speech. So whether or not it is anti-semitic is a non issue: the issue is what are the societal repercussions. Mel Gibson can get arrested and say a whole lot of nasty things to a Jewish cop and he can also make a movie about his not very Jew-friendly interpretation of the Crucifixion. And life goes on. Europe, England and Ireland included, have a different history with where words can lead, and it isn't actually centered on Jews at all. Jews are merely the latest incarnation of words leading to deeds. The invention of the printing press and events like the Thirty Years War and St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre laid a bloody groundwork to your whole continent. Over here we are by no means better people, far from it, but we are a bunch of minorities who in general are not going to start killing each other.
Okay, now I’m gonna climb down from my latest hobby horse and finish with:

The article you reference seems to me to be a frank acknowledgement that there is an issue. Maybe the issue got fomented from anti-Labourites. Maybe not. But the best way out is through. Talk it out. Talk some more. You’ve got some pretty erudite folks over there.