Re Art Thiemes response , I for one would never dream of demanding that other cultures conform to my particular feelings. It is still a free world(for some). My only point is that when that 'culture' or art takes the form of torture to a defenceless animal, I for one feel it is incumbent on us all to speak out. A truly brave and honourable bullfight would be one in which the matador attempted to kill the bull on its first charge, while it was still fresh and truly went over the top of the horns thus offering the bull a real chance to kill him. Now that would be brave but I dont see many matadors queueing up to try that one. Lets get it straight. Cultural relativity cannot excuse the fact that the bullfight is the slow torture then slaughter of a defenceless animal. All appeals to art and honour are bollocks. And dont tell me I know nothing about bullfighting cos I have witnessed hundreds in my time in Spain and I never seen the bull get off yet. This makes me so angry. The bull never has any real chance to kill the matador. It is too exhausted and terrified by the picadors and the baying crowds for there to be any sense of honour left. The so-called brave matador very rarely goes over the top of the horns these days-it might have been true in Hemingways day but not any more. In fact one of the only matadors that I ever saw go right over the top was Frank Evans and he was English!! Please consider the fact that as a species of animal on this planet we would not like to be tortured slowly then killed for a spectator sport if the human race were not the superior(questionable) species on the earth. I hope to hear how other catters feel about this most emotive of subjects. Phil Seddon