Thank you Neil for putting me in my place, I'M SORRY for all that I said about America and you lot of Americans who are love your country and who don't like people like me who tell some home truths, as they say the truth hurts, and some people like to turn a blind to it all. However like myself, we all need a kick up the arse now and again to remind ourselves what our own history of our own country was like. I hope this all makes sense to you all. After all that I've started on mud cat I will not sending anymore messages on this thread, but I'll just check up on it from time to time. Tom Hamilton