Still looking for genuine old ones.

Katlaughing - Constantinople does need work maybe I will have a go. I didn't want to muddy the waters until the real old ones had gone stale, as it were.

Sandy - I realised why the 4 F's were a little unfamiliar - as lads the phrase we referred to consisted of 5 F's. You forgot the "forget 'em"! Too non-PC these days!