The grown-ups are trying to discuss the issues raised in the thread. The big babies are slagging off the grown-ups such as meself and Joe, for example, in one case at least, by suggesting that the whole of America is insane, not an especially useful comment and which I picked up on because it's simply not true, not just to "draw a response." Joe, a mild-mannered chap these days, picked up inaccuracies coming from our other non-grown-up and also got it in the neck for his troubles. That's precisely how non-grown-ups "debate," sad to say.