Raggytash, your remark that I disagree with is this: The point you seem to miss Joe is that the church knew of these abuses but actively helped to cover them up.. I learned of these abuses from the 1960s, and it was clear by the 1980s that at least some bishops were fully aware of abuses and not taking action. And it was clear that by the late 1990s or earlier, Pope John Paul II was aware of abuses and was doing nothing about it. Indeed, John Paul was praising Marcial Maciel, one of the most notorious offenders. And I've said all this before.

So, yeah, it's kinda stupid for you to say that I miss the point.

-Joe Offer-