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Thread #145654   Message #4181171
Posted By: GUEST,Keith Price
09-Sep-23 - 08:01 PM
Thread Name: A.L.Lloyd & Sea Chanties
Subject: RE: A.L.Lloyd & Sea Chanties
Hi Gibb Did the Keelers state that 'Wild Goose Shanty' was a windlass shanty ? The people who posted it, Szanty Szoguna-Showguns Sea Shanties did.
Bert in his notes for the 1957 'Blow Boys Blow'LP refers to it as a halyard shanty. Louisa Jo Killen (Louie) sang it on 'Blow the Man Down,' Lloyd's sleeve notes said "this one like many others was used for any job" He also said " This tune was collected by W Roy Mackenzie who got it from a seaman settled in Nova Scotia" I take it this has been disproved ?
I was there on the night in 1972 when Bert recorded what was later to become the LP 'An Evening with A L Lloyd' The Top Lock folk club was run by Willy Russell, Jim Pedan and John Kaneen. Bert remarked in his introduction to 'Wild Goose' that "shanties always get sung too fast" then goes on to laugh at the pace he did 'Yellar Girls' earlier in his set, indicating that the crew would be knackered.

I watched your entertaining presentation 'Sailor Chanties: History & Genre' for Maritime Folknet.
I must admit I had a smile, when you demonstrated 'Hauling Topsail Halyard' with a group of teenage boys and girls, who looked quite new to the process and completed the task in 10.5 verses and 42 pulls, which you considered to be the 'typical length' I'm not sure an experienced crew would agree with you.
I don't think any of the examples of working shanties given are too successful 'Let the Bulgine Run' for 'Heaving Brake Windlass' is a bit of a shambles.
You note how slow both Ree Baldwyn and Alex Henderson are singing, the same point Bert makes at the Top Lock folk club. I don't see a huge difference in pace between Baldwyns 'South Austria' and Lloyds 'Wild Goose' except that if Bert was right and it was used as a halyard, at that very slow pace, it would be possible to get four pulls on the chorus.
Of course you believe Lloyd made it up on the basis that it was never collected anywhere else.
I wonder what you make of Percy Grainger collecting Brigg Fair from Joseph Taylor. Taylor was the only source, and one of the best tunes in English folk music, at least Delius thought so.Mr Deene of Hibaldstow had the same text to a different tune. Who knows maybe Joseph Taylor did a Bert Lloyd.
My apologies I've gone on too long.