The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #145654   Message #4187989
Posted By: Gibb Sahib
06-Sep-23 - 05:39 PM
Thread Name: A.L.Lloyd & Sea Chanties
Subject: RE: A.L.Lloyd & Sea Chanties
>Any thoughts on he Hugill / Lloyd question, though?

Brian,
I certainly do have thoughts, but not much coherent or well-baked enough to put down at the moment!

Off the cuff: Your discussion of "Go to Sea Once More," and Lloyd's tune, reminded me: Doesn't Hugill (SfSS) use that tune? Which brings us back to whether Hugill corroborates Lloyd (whereas Carpenter's Barry singers do not) or whether Hugill pinched it from Lloyd.

The question of Howard bears on my theory about Lloyd developing "South Australia" from the transcription in Doerflinger. Basically, my idea is that he saw the very "descriptive" transcription (which is not performance-ready, having irregular measures and all) and created a "normalized" version by making choices about how to synch up the melody rhythm with barlines. However, arguing that must contend with the possibility of receiving that form of song from Howard. Again we have a case where the tune doesn't match any of the others that are documented.