More from the article I quoted from in the interview with Bernie Sanders:

"'The average American worker today, his or her wages are lower than they were 50 years ago, parents are worried about their kids who might have a lower standard of living than they do,' Senator Sanders said.

"'People are feeling that government does not listen, does not understand their pain. And they are turning to somebody who says: 'Forget all of that. I've got the answer. Don't worry about democracy. I'll take care of it for you.'

"While Senator Sanders doesn't blame ordinary Americans for putting their faith in former president Trump, he says the consequences of a Trump victory would be dire for the entire world.

"'Everything is at stake … If the United States moves in an authoritarian way, it will certainly send a signal to every country on Earth that, that's the future of politics.' Senator Sanders said of Donald Trump.

"'He's a phoney, he's a pathological liar. But I'm afraid his appeal is working.'"

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"'I don't want to speculate about the what-ifs, what should have happened, Biden is the candidate and our job is … to make it very clear that Biden has done some good things … I think he's not getting the credit for what he has done.'

"'What we have got to make clear to ordinary Americans is you may not like everything that Biden has done, maybe you think he's too old … but you know what? The alternative is a hell of a lot worse'."