Howzabout the hybrids? Saw a woman with the new toyota, and pinned her down for how she liked it. sounds like a good deal to me. Oh yeah, i DO live in the northwest nowhere, and still am able to transport: Hammered Dulcimer (a BIG one) husband, guitar, and mandolie. All in a four cylinder Nissan. SUV's belong where they ain't no roads that are paved.