Mrrz, (may i call you, Mrrz?) 'i was... booooorn in east LA....' actually in Lynnwood which is just south of there. have lived in Whittier, just east of there most of my life. 'joe' is my only name on this thread. i've used 2 other names on previous threads to experiment w/ alternate personae, but this one draws out 'directness' so i use it most, claro?