L.H., I'm a bit surprised to see you touting films of the 40's, 50's, 60's if you are so turned off to "flag waving." Ever seen: "Sands of Iwo Jima," "Battle Cry," "Battle Ground," "Midway," "Tora, Tora, Tora?" And many more "war" movies made during those years ...particularly the 40's while the war was going on.