For the full impact of that sobriquet for Dame V, you have to ralise that "Moaning minne" was also the nickname that sqaddies gave to the Wermacht's Nebelwerfer multibarrel mortar, one of the most effective and hated indirect fire weapons in Normandy. Can't say I'm a fan of Dame V's but I wouldn't have thougt she was that bad. Gracie Fields, now thats a different story. Pete M