GARY.....Back atcha' and well stated. There are plenty of unscrupulous ways of using the ASE as an ad ploy only, but on the whole, it is as you said, better than the nothing we had before. I was Master Certified (Automotive) first in 1973 when it was still the NIASE (and I liked the old patches better too!)

KENDALL......I love ya' man, but .... BULLSHIT! We now use the word tech, but I have always preferred mechanic....and the one thing that makes a mechanic, rather than an R&R parts changer, is his ability to diagnose a problem. Denny and I generally employed 2-3 R&R guys who were learning. One of us would do the diagnosis and the final setups and adjustments as well as watching over the job they were doing. It freed us to do the tougher stuff and still assured us that a quality job was done. We NEVER threw parts at a problem until it was fixed. Yes, it happens, and those guys are not mecahnics, they're parts changers. This one really strikes a nerve with me as it was the total antithesis of the way we worked.

SORCHA.......Ya' know, you could write a book of that kind of stuff...........

"I just had my car in your shop last week and now it has a flat tire."
What was your car in for last week?"
"I think you put on a water pump"

Spaw