Intersting thread,personally I agree with most of what Guest Claymore said,I feel we need real punishment for crimes comitted,yes punishment,that is what justice is supposed to be about.Recently in my neighbourhood there has been a spate of horrific muggings of eldery people for a few pounds,on the rare occasions the police catch the shits responsible for these crimes they receive a ridiculously small sentence.Their defence lawyers,social workers etc will say some crap like "he didnt mean it hes on drugs".The police say most of the crime in Hull is committed to fund a drugs habbit,if thats the case why dont they just legalise the bloody drugs and let the rest of us live in peace? It has got to the stage now where old people are frightened to leave their homes,surely this cant be right!sorry for waffling on but its something I feel strongly about.john(in hull)