I think we're closer, GuestGuest, than you might believe. I'm also very uncomfortable with religion in the public sphere -- because there is no such thing as generic religion; anything religious excludes or denies somebody else's religious beliefs, and that's pushing towards establishment. BUT not letting a bunch of little kids use a classroom for whatever religious club they may have, when every other club in the school is allowed to, is just as much religious discrimination as anything else that's been mentioned here.

I'm also uncomfortable with having prayer opening the Senate and stuff like that.

I'm not at all sure what you mean by "based on objective reality" -- do you mean something that has been scientifically verified? If two people see a flash in the sky but nobody else does, is that "objective reality"? What if the others weren't looking in the same direction? This could be an interesting topic to take up, maybe in a different thread. I don't think "objective reality" is nearly so objectively definable as you apparently do.

Alex the philosopher