To clarify my last post so that there is no confusion... I would never steroetype English attitudes or any other nationality or creed or whatever. I would never call people closed minded just because they won't agree with someone until that someone puts forth valid arguements in support of the contrary position. I don't think anyone here is saying that they are 100% right.... except when I took SF to task for his Yankee bashing - I was 200% right.