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Thread #35699   Message #490433
Posted By: Amos
23-Jun-01 - 02:21 PM
Thread Name: Can a believer sing Atheist songs?
Subject: RE: BS - Can a believer sing Atheist songs?
Geez you guys!! What I wrote was perfectly clear to me!!! LOL!!!

1. A-theism comes from two roots meaning NO and "theos", a Greek word usually translated to mean "God".

2. The translation from the Greek is dicey because of all the cultural overload we stick on the word "god" so we should be aware that the Greeks might have had a different view of what it means.

3. So we have two branches of definition of atheism. One is just "No God" , using the usual sense of a Single Cosmic Entitiy. That's what we usually mean by an atheist. If someone posing as an atheist extended that definition to all forms of spiritual phenomena, he would be a pure materialist.

4. Using the FIRST defintion, an atheist is just soemone who rejects the One Big Being cosmology.

5. Such a person could still be devoutly spiritual. For example he could believe in individual spiritual beings who by huge numbers of creative interactions have created this particular hologram we hold to be the physical universe.

6. . The proposition for individual spiritual natures has a lot more evidence going for it than the prposition that there is a gigantic Scout Leader hidden in the wings.

7. Using such a paradigm one could use the best models of phsyics, biology and evolution while ALSO being able to account for a lot of the funny anomalies which medicine and physics often have to ignore as falling outside the framework of their models. These are usually labeled statistical anomalies, experimental artifacts or some other high-falutin' label so we will still think we are "being scientific".

Hope this is clearer. As for such a hologram being a "God" that is just semiotic slap-shooting. The fundamental differences are as basic and clear as the difference between, say, "Pearl Harbor", the movie, and the actual sum total of all events centered around that part of the planet in real time on the day of the actual bombing.

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