Okay, right now, I can give you her point of view, verbatim: I am a bitch, had no right to call the dog's owners, and I am not to speak to her.

She will be 24 on Bastille Day. I called her an adult child because she is. She has been slamming doors, hanging up phones, glaring, etc. acting like a spoiled child. I have NOT, however, called her that to her face.

She also said a lot of very vicious things which I know she will someday regret; things that no one should have to listen to; she has been a bully, but I am not accepting that, anymore.

Her dad and I talked about this dog with her, at her request. We both expressed our misgivings and in fact asked her not to bring him over. When we moved in with her, she knew we had our animals, whom she'd grown up with and that any more would really be extremely stressful. We helped her buy this house and we pay 2/3rds of all expenses. That was our agreement with her. She had expected us to be here for at least a year, in order to help her out (she's been paying off credit cards) and so that we could save a bit.

I knew the dog's owners before this and had told her I was going to call them to give them the facts of the living situation she would be bringing their dog into, i.e. our dog who wants to kill other dogs, seven cats, 3 adults and HUGE STRESS for all, without adding another critter, of any kind, to a house which is barely over 900 square feet, added to a yard with no shade and two gates which that dog could easily open and a fence he could have jumped, both of which he has done to his owners' gates and fence.

He also got into a tussle with his own dog-mate and drew blood, and chases squirrels, which cats would look quite similar to to a dog which is not very smart. I know this dog. I was the one who found him one night when he got out and ran away. I've also gone over to feed him and let him out when my daughter was petsitting and was at work and could not do it herself. She wanted to keep him permamently.

She was going to make him stay in her room all day, except for coming home at noon to let him out. She hasn't come home at noon for months. She is gone from 830a til usually 9 or 10p everyday. She gave away her turtle and fish because she never took care of them.

I did what I knew was best for our hosuehold and what I thought was right for the other dog. I do not regret it.

Sins, thanks, I know someday she will understand. My son and my older daughter and I have all had those talks about how wise mom really was, now that they look back on it.

Patrish, I'd give anything to be at the Jug, tonight. Thanks so much.

Thanks, kjell, I appreciate your honesty.

Wolfgang, thanks for your compassion, for both of us. We will soon be gone from her house and living a good distance away, so I am sure she will sort things out and be a lot happier. The stress level will go down for all of us and that is good.

The whole thing has been very exhausting and numbing.