Hi bbc, I know what's being said here & no where in my post did I disagree with Joe, Lord knows Joe is a hero to me & I'd have to side with him. It's just that both sides of the same coin are different yet they hold the same value & it's really just a matter of which the coin falls on as to who stands where. I'm not gonna take issue either way, to me it's a strong enough belief for those that are really concerned that all will eventually benifit from the discussion in the end & it happens so rarely that when this one ends the old & the new members will all have a better understanding of each other & by that will earn more respect & consideration when posting & we'll probably not run into this again for another year or better. So my take is that once again it will work itself out for the best. To you Joe Offer, I can't think of a better person to have in one's corner than you. Barry