Well, yeh, but sometimes, too much of a downer is just right... musically, that is... Like when the 'love of your life' dumps you for a backstabbing idiot.... I got to admit, too, that I usually chicken out of that song whenever I think I might play it out... With Dublin Bay, I like to Advance the Em in the little break a bit, by rushing it rhythymicly, and then holding it untll it's normal ending time... gives it that extra sumptin. ... and yes, Mr. Fearing has influenced me a great deal. I am indeed grateful. ttr