Hi Don ... Yeh, facinating! It amazes me that we have never had this conversation in person ... at least not as complete as we've both posted. Again, the "temper of the times." I'd like to remind you of a very close mutual friend who arrived on the scene about 1957 ... big fellow, laid back ... a jewell ... sang some Idaho songs! When he first arrived, he was percieved by the folksingers on the street as the "FBI spy." He went through HELL getting accepted into the gang. To this day he complains about the CRAP he had to put up with to get accepted! More Later. Thanks for the post, Bob