The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #38412   Message #542374
Posted By: John Hardly
05-Sep-01 - 09:04 AM
Thread Name: Lesbians, Gays and folk music
Subject: RE: Lesbians, Gays and folk music
I certainly agree with the concept that a secure man wouldn't be intimidated by a gay proposal. Actually, if I might be brutally frank in a way that will risk me coming across as arrogant----I have always been a very attractive boy/man (I guess you could ask Big Mick as he's the only 'catter who's met me....and I think he's secure enough in his manhood to confirm my assertion). I had my first gay "proposal" when I was an 11 year old and didn't even know what sex was---I ran. I do Art Fairs in two cities that are very attended by their gay population and have gotten fan mail from gays after the show expressing an appreciation for me :>). I would say that, like catspaw says, Though I might be as uncomfortable as I am if a woman flirted with me (as a married man), I guess I'm flattered that ANYONE still finds me attractive after 25 years of marriage to the same woman (who after a lifetime of farts, barf, B.O. etc. has a somewhat more realistic perspective on how truly attractive I am).

Having said that...
I wish there was a winsome, self-effacing, gentle way to put this so that I wouldn't come across as an arguementative prick but...

I am so DAMN tired of the cliche' along the lines of, "why should it matter (what difference does it make) who one should care to share love with?".

Love and sex are not synonyms.

sex between a rapist and his victim is not love
sex between a 12 year old boy and his 6 year old sister is not love
sex between a Hoosier and his sheep is not love
sex between a president and his intern is not love
sex between a boss and his intimidated underling is not love.

I think the list could go on but I think we could all even agree tha sex between consenting adults isn't always love.......it often has MUCH more to do with POWER than love.......even in good relationships from time to time.

So....the cliche' makes a nice, emotional arguement ender...but it holds little truth. It is usually just a good way to characterize the "other side" as unreasonable.