You presume too much Nobody. I'm a practicing Candle (Cathoioc that is) myself, which is why I feel entitled to make a comment like that. We ought to know better, and pay more attention to the beam in our own eye is the underlying thought behind the quip.

With the way Christians have been treating each other in Ireland for the past 30 years it's a valid enough point to make. And I know that religion's got nothing to with the devision and the trouble in Ireland. No more than it really has in the Holy Land.

And Rush, it's a good idea to read the threads before pontificating about them. As said specifically in an earlier post on the thread: "I am certain that, if I had been an American and had voted for Bush, and if I admired his politics, and liked him enormously as a person, I would feel no different about it. Angry, scared, and betrayed." In fact if it had been Clinton who'd said it I'd have been even angrier, because I'd have been certain that he knew exactly what he was saying, and therefore would have meant to alienate Muslims.