Thanks for those comments Gareth and as regards to some of the other contributions, we are getting to the "agree to disagree" stage with this thread and I hope you will forgive me in relating a little story. My step-father (now deceased) once had a private tea with the Queen and in that relaxed atmosphere he said that they were talking about the goons and then she did the most fantastic impersonation of Peter Sellers when in his indian guise. I don't think there are many people who have seen HRH do that! Cllr