I sense a bit of circularity here. Sure, man invents morals and similarly invents "God." But the flip side is the more interesting question of who/what invented man/consciousness. Having said man invents God, you bootstrap (hogtie?) yourself into saying man invented himself.

Did I say that right? (I'm still doing this without the benefit of Amos' dictionary which never arrived.) I'm pretty much with Litle Hawk, right down to the rocks, but those (Eastern?) religions which avoid the Big Question, because it is unknowable, have still avoided the Big Question. "In the beginning. . . . " And so has this thread (because we must.) But it sucks. I want to see, touch, hear or somehow sense the unmanifest from which the rocks and consciousness arose. But, like Amos, I don't really want to vaporize, or etherize.

I think Gautama's answer was "fuck it, just let it go." And I try.

Dan