My condolences to you Hollowfox in Youngstown. Just funnin'. I live in Harpers Ferry, WV, but I know a bit about Youngstown since my late wife, bless her soul, was from there. Actually Austintown off of Mahoney. Graduated from Fitch as in the Fitch Falcons. Ahh, I wrote a song about if which I call "Youngstown Night" which talks about what it was like to grow up in Youngstown in the 50's when the Jeaneete Blast Furnace kept the skies lit at night and folks had jobs. There used to be a sculpter/ painter/ artsit who had taken over one of the towntown bildings accross the street from the big department store that was torn down about 5 years ago. This guys name is Scott Pergandi and I bought two pieces of his work. Cool guy and he doesn't pay a nickle in rent. Just squats there in that three story store front and unless he's been run out has about a dozen other folk who live there too. Heard of him? Thanks for your post. Peace may be an absolute that is not attainable but is a worthwhile goal. Mankind CAN do a lot better and will have to as the earth becomes more tribalized. We certainly don't have a President or Cabinet that has even the slightest knowledge of peace. Even today, Junior continues to beat his war drum and use the memory of 9-11 to sell his star wars. The military industrial complex has never had it so good... Sorry about rambling. Ol' bobert tends to get wound up...