Yes, they were interesting discussions---it's fascinating how so many limbs can all seemingly lead back to the same essential root. One point made in that thread was how nasty & bratty little Jesus seems in those songs & stories; we have to remember that in lots of ways our ancestors didn't think at all the way we do, because their outlook on everything was informed by an experience of society & culture very different to our own (especially those of us who are now "Americans"). This is particularly the case with the mediaeval mind; in the Middle Ages the various apocryphal tales of scriptural movers & shakers were in heavy circulation as the Bible itself, and both were generally circulated by means of oral tradition, lending a "telephone game" element to the whole enterprise! So for all we know, our ancestors were happy to see little lord Jesus give those snooty gentlemens' sons a good soaking!